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number one. i think that is a reflection that paula deen has a loyal fan base despite losing all of these big endorsement from all of these companies >> yet to shake out and see how she ends up doing. some people coming to her aid and others just leaving her in throes. with very to leave it there. "cnn newsroom" starts oof this break. this is "cnn newsroom." i am wolf blitzer reporting from washington. we begin with breaking news. the news that we learned just a few minutes ago that the former new england patriots tightend aaron hernandez already charged with murder in one case is now being investigated in a separate double murder case. in about an hour hernandez will appear in a massachusetts courtroom for a bail hearing. alina cho is joining us now from attleboro, massachusetts. what more do we know about this
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second murder investigation? >> reporter: well, wolf, this is a stunning development. we learned in addition to the murder charge leveled against aaron hernandez yesterday in the death of 27-year-old oden lloyd, law enforcement sources tell cnn that hernandez is also being investigated in connection with a double murder that happened in boston's south end in july of 2012. so almost exactly a year ago. here is what we can tell you. apparently there was a silver suv that was found by police recently. it was placed at the scene of the murders and missing for nearly a year. what boston police are now saying is that car was being rented by hernandez at the time of the murders. we should also bring you up to date, wolf, on what's happening right here behind me. in about an hour, almost exactly an hour at 2 p.m. eastern time aaron hernandez will appear in court again for the second day
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in a row. this is a bail hearing. essentially his lawyers will be appealing the judge's decision yesterday to not grant aaron hernandez bail. they will argue that there is so much media attention surrounding this case and that he is not a flight risk, there is no way aaron hernandez frankly could go anywhere without everyone following him and they will also argue that he is a family man and has a fiance and an eight month old baby and most of all they will argue that he has no criminal record and has never been accused of a violent crime. >> the charge is first degree murder, alina. it is really rare if ever that someone charged accused of first degree murder is let out on bail. second degree murder charges, lesser charges, people can get bail, but it is pretty rare that a first degree murder suspect would be released on bail. isn't that the experience in massachusetts?
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>> i think that the general consensus here at least among the media is that you have to give the defense attorneys credit for trying, but i don't think that there is anyone here who believes that this judge in a higher court will grant aaron hernandez bail today after the lower court judge denied it yesterday, especially, especially, wolf, after this latest development has now come out that he is now being investigated in a double murder in boston that happened last year. >> especially as a result of the breaking news now being investigated as you point out for the other double murder. alina, thanks. we'll get back to you as soon as we get more information. another big story we're following in the "cnn newsroom," round 2 of riveting testimony from the young woman on the phone with trayvon martin only moments before he was shot dead by george zimmerman. her name rachel jeantel, just left the stand minutes ago after several hours of testimony.
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the 19-year-old made it clear in her own words and body language she does not want to be on the stand. the exchanges between this young woman and defense attorney don west have been contentious. >> so the last thing you heard was some kind of noise like something hitting somebody? >> that trayvon got hit, trayvon got hit. >> you don't know that, do you? >> no, sir. >> you don't know that trayvon got hit. >> he had to -- >> you don't know that trayvon didn't at that moment take his fist and drive it into george zimmerman's face? >> please lower your voice. >> do you? >> no, sir. >> our george howell and sunny hostin are outside the court in sanford, florida. george, let me start with you. this young woman very soft spoken and very reluctant to be there, that's obvious to anyone watching her testimony. give us the head lines of what happened over the past few hours
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today for the viewers that were not watching. >> wolf, certainly. you have to first compare what we saw yesterday to what we're seeing today. yesterday service combative and dismiss civil wi dismiss civil with certain questions. today it is more subdued and you see the contentious exchanges between ms. jeantel and attorney don west and she always answers with a yes, sir or no, sir, and seems to hold to what she has been saying all along. it has come down to this really, this new statement she made this time here in this trial she is saying she heard trayvon martin say get off, get off, indicating that somehow he was being attacked and the words before that, i could have heard or i could hear trayvon martin saying get off, get off. you see that don west is really going over that one way after another trying to figure out exactly what she said, and it has become somewhat of an exhaustive three hours of
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grilling. she has been on the stand for more than three hours today, was on the stand over an hour yesterday, so how much longer this will continue is really anybody's guess. >> it is not over with yet, her testimony, even though they're on a lurj break right now. sunny, you were in the courtroom. you were watching the jurors. give us your assessment how they were reacting to her as a credible or perhaps not so credible witness. >> yeah. from my read, wolf, and i was pretty close to the jury in the jury room, they were leaning forward. they were listening to every single word she was saying. they were taking notes. they were engaged. i understand one of the jurors asked for her to repeat herself. not so today. they seem to now have gotten used to her cadence and used to the way that she speaks and i don't think they're having any trouble understanding her. what has been interesting, though, is that she has been very consistent although the defense of course is
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cross-examining her and she has been very consistent, wolf, in saying that what she heard was george zimmerman following trayvon martin, pursuing trayvon martin, and approaching trayvon martin. now, why is that important? that is crucial, crucial for the state because the defense here is one of self-defense. however, if you are the first aggressor, if you pursue, if you start a confrontation, you cannot avail yourself really of self-defense. it almost takes self-defense off the table and that is why she is being cross-examined so harshly on the witness stand and that is why her testimony is so important. by my view, this jury seems to get her and the longer she stays on the witness stand, wolf, i think the more sympathetic she becomes and i think the more empathetic she becomes. >> she is also -- it was clearly a lot less argumentative, sunny, today than she was yesterday. here is an example. listen to this. >> are you okay this morning? >> yeah. >> you seem so different than yesterday. just checking.
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did someone talk -- >> is that a question? >> yes. did someone talk with you last night about your demeanor in court yesterday? >> no, i went to sleep. >> hopefully got a good night's sleep. what do you make of this, sunny? >> i think it is fascinating. when we first saw her this morning on the witness stand, i thought the same exact thing. i thought, wow, this is a different witness. we're not seeing the pet lent teenager or the aggressive and abrasive behavior, and i thought maybe someone did speak to her, maybe an attorney spoke to her, maybe a family member said you have to pull it back, you have to cool it down, but she says, no, that's not what happened, she just got sleep and we feel a bit better as we get a good night's sleep. >> we certainly do and she said yesterday at the end of her testimony when the defense attorney said we'll need you for another two or three hours tomorrow, she was clearly visibly upset about that. she didn't want to be there. she is continuing that testimony
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and more yet to come. guys, don't go too far away. we'll be checking back with you in sanford. the george zimmerman trial will be back as i say later this hour and we'll monitor the testimony and break it all down for you. also coming up, a win for same sex emarriage supporters. can social conservatives really do anything about it? can they rerail kpapd yesterday? what can they do to fight the supreme court decision? distribution systems," "and one of the most efficient trucking networks," "with safe, experienced drivers." "we work directly with manufacturers," "eliminating costly markups," "and buy directly from local farmers in every region of the country." "when you see our low prices, remember the wheels turning behind the scenes, delivering for millions of americans, everyday. "dedication: that's the real walmart"
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supporters of same sex marriage say they are energized and encouraged by yesterday's supreme court rulings. same sex marriage opponents insist the battle isn't over. they vow to continue their fight in their own states and here in washington they will definitely have a key ally on capitol hill, congressman tim huelskamp, a republican from kansas, says he will try to get same sex marriage banned by amending the united states constitution. he is joining us now from capitol hill. what do you think, congressman? do you have any chance of getting this amendment passed or is this just an effort on your part to express your deep anger what the supreme court did
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yesterd yesterday. >> it was simply an outrageous decision of judicial activism and they have taken to the short circuit the democratic process and we're just starting on the amendment and given 43 million americans already voted in favor of traditional marriage, i think we have a shot. it is a long ways to go and a difficult route and at least the court did not go as far as invalidating the laws and amendments in 37 states that continue to protect traditional marriage today. >> you need 290 votes in the house of representatives to at least begin this process of getting a constitutional amendment. there is virtually no chance that would happen, right? >> about no chance. you don't know until you try, and i think given this decision which shocked a lot of americans and the court would step this star and abuse bill clinton and the republican congress at a time of an imus and will encourage a lot of folks to step
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forward and say we have to protect marriage and families and particularly our children. >> the last time your supporters tried this in 2006 you got 236 votes. as i say you need 290 in the house. public opinion in the years since then has shifted in favor of same sex marriage. for all practical purposes you won't get that vote in the house. >> we'll see. if public opinion shifted why hasn't the state of illinois passed that? clearly when republicans are talking about outreach to minority communities, that's where we see strong support of traditional marriage and so they will make different divisions in washington and i think we'll have strong support and we do have a long ways to go and the outrage of a court that takes it upon itself to attempt to redefine marriage at the same time we have 37 states maintaining a traditional definition of marriage, all we need is 37 states when that time comes in order to prove a constitutional amendment, so we have a long ways to go and i
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think we have a shot. >> before we get the states ratifying it, you have to get the house and senate and looks impossible. how many co-sponsors do you have for the constitutional amendment? >> we just started. we waited until the decision came out and took a look at it and realized that was the route we needed to go given the tortured logic of the court, given they're inviting future lawsuits and we'll continue to go down a path with certain constitutional skepticism, so we don't know how many signed on. we just started today. we'll hopefully introduce it maybe tomorrow if not next week as the original starting line for this process. >> representative tim huelskamp, republican of kansas, thanks very much for joining us. >> thank you. >> let's bring in our chief political analyst gloria right now. given the legal victories in the supreme court and the public opinion trends we have seen
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dramatically change over the past 10, 15 years. >> i think the constitutional amendment you were talking about is not going to happen. public opinion as you just showed is a majority s in favor of same sex marriage. i think when you talk to conservatives as i do, in an ideal world what they would like to do is what the opponents of abortion did after roe v. wade that, decision for the supreme court. they want to mobilize against the court and against the decision and use it as a wedge issue in political campaigns. wolf, the problem they have got is the public opinion is not on their side. so it is a really uphill battle right now and the republican party is split about what to do on this because if you want to bring younger voters into the party, this may not not way to do it by campaigning against gay marriage. >> we'll have gloria back later today in "the situation room" at 5 p.m. eastern to continue this conversation.
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thanks very much. coming up, confessions of a black journalist. you will hear one man's take on paula deen's past use of the n word, are many of us being hypocrites? he has strong views. stay with us. a better opportunity for your business, a better legacy to leave the world. we have always believed in this pursuit, striving to bring insight to every investment, and integrity to every plan. we are morgan stanley. and we're ready to work for you.
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new trouble brewing today for paula deen, walmart, target, home depot have joined the list of companies to cut ties this after deen admitted using the n word and tolerating racial jokes at work. the topic of race a touchy and sensitive subject and we have people on one side saying deen deserves to lose her empire and others have a different point of view and clearly much more sympathetic. anthony cook is joining us from the huntsville times. thank you very much for coming in. have you written a very provocative piece that sheds a certain light on deen's use of that n word. tell us about your bottom line. >> we're not hearing anything on this end.
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>> anthony, can you hear me snow? anthony? we're going to have to fix that communication with anthony. >> i can hear you now. >> anthony, you can hear me. good. excellent. tell us about the article you wrote. i read it. clearly provocative. explain why are you to a certain degree sympathetic to paula deen. >> i don't know that i would use sympathetic to paula deen. i think the issue with paula deen provided an opportunity to address does that doesn't get discussed often and that's the use of the n word this this country and the fact there is a double standard for who uses it and how it is used. i would start by first of all acknowledging that a black person calling me the n word could never cut me as deeply as a white person who were to call me the n word, but the point of
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the column was to ask the question or raise the question why does anybody want to use it. >> which is a horrible word and no one should use it, but you acknowledge in the column that at one point in your life you used to use that word yourself, right? >> correct. growing up as a youth, i think we live in a culture where it has become acceptable to use it casually, almost as a term of affection in the black community, but i just feel like there is a word carries with it an inherent history that is derogatory towards our race, and in my own personal growth i came to understand it as not good to use the word at all. >> a horrible word whether used by blacks or whites or anyone else. i think we all agree. what is your opinion if you don't mind sharing with us, what should happen to paula deen
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because she acknowledges she did use that n word. >> right. now, the thing about with paula deen, and i think i expressed this in the column, is that it wasn't so much the use of the n word, and i say that explicitly in the column that my column was not a defense of her. i think, though, that in coupled with the use of the n word the charges are that there was other actions that took place that indicated some racial discrimination in the workplace. so i think that should just play out legally, whatever judge and jury decides or whatever the court adjudicators decide needs to happen with her, that's what happens, but paula deen is a big girl. she doesn't need anthony cook to defend her. >> she certainly is. you make excellent points, though. this is a horrible, horrible word and no one, no one should use it under any circumstances. anthony, thanks very much for writing the article and thanks
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for joining us here on cnn. >> thanks, wolf, for having me. >> the zimmerman trial is in recess right now. they're taking a lunch break. we'll continue to follow it here in the "cnn newsroom" throughout the day. stand by. more dramatic testimony no doubt coming up including george zimmerman's massive weight gain. we'll take a closer look at how that might help or hurt his case. we'll also have more on edward snowden as he is waiting and waiting and waiting, still holed up apparently in the moscow airport in the transit zone. president obama is saying what he went do to bring him back to the united states. if there was a pill
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indicted, 30 counts, the indictment includes there is going to be a news conference, 3 p.m. eastern in massachusetts. the u.s. attorney's office, the middlesex district attorney's office is holding a joint news conference to go through the 30 counts, the surviving suspected boston marathon bomb inner prison right now. he has been indicted on 30 counts. stay with us. we'll have complete coverage obviously throughout the afternoon. other news we're following, president obama says he won't, won't be scrambling fighter jets to bring edward snowden to the united states. he is believed to be hanging out in the transit area of the russian airport. they say it is a no man's land and snowden is free to leave at any time. what's the next move? barbara star is getting new information. what are the options for the u.s. right now trying to bring snowden back to face charge?
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>> very tough, wolf, unless the russian suddenly have a change of heart. right now snowden is in that airport no man's land hunkered down trying to look apparently for a place to g the russians aren't that anxious apparently to help him out. earlier today in a press conference on his trip in africa president obama spoke about all of this and suddenly was making quite clear he considers this a fairly routine, non-exceptional law enforcement matter and he is not about to let this grow into a global flash point. >> we have a whole lot of business that we do with china and russia, and i am not going to have one case of a suspect who we're trying to extra do it be elevated to the point i have to start doing wheeling and dealing and trading on a whole host of other issues. simply to get a guy extradited
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so that he can face the justice system here in the united states. >> extradition, the president keeps talking about extradition. that's what they're after with the russians, a clean, simple extradition. russia not yet apparently willing to do that. ful wo, the bottom line right now in washington is how much damage did edward snowden really cause? there is a lot of skepticism in this quarters that what he has done is basically embarrass the administration, that he hasn't revealed all that much that terrorists and others didn't already know that the government conducts surveillance and others say, no, he has caused grave damage and they say intelligence officials say they already see evidence that terrorist groups, at least some of them are changing the way they communicate. >> john kerry says american lives are now at risk as a result of the release of these classified documents. all right, barbara, thanks very much, barbara starr reporting from the pentagon. the zimmerman trial is in recess
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the suspected boston bombing suspect dzhokhar dzhokhar has been indicted by a federal grand jury. they just returned a 30 count indictment. the united states attorney for massachusetts, carmen ortiz will hold a news conference at 3 p.m. to release the specifics of the 30 counts. we'll have live coverage of that coming up later today, 30 count indictment against dzhokhar tsarnaev. back to other news including the gripping testimony from the young woman on the phone with trayvon martin only moments
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before he was killed by george zimmerman. rachel jenn jeantel has struggled through a second day of tough cross-examination. the trial is in recess and they're taking a lunch break. it will resume fairly soon, though. jeantel will be back on the stand to finish her testifying. she has been testifying for hours. we're joined by two cnn legal analysts following this trial very closely. mark nejame is in orlando. this testimony has been going on for hours over two days. what stands out the most to you about her testimony? >> to me it is disjointed and simply not credible. if this is the cornerstone of the state's case, i think they have troubles. if they consider this to be a good witness, then we have surely lowered our standards to what a witness should be about. she has given multiple inconsistent statements. she has been hard to follow, and to me she does not come across
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as credible, and i think the state has to change up its game plan a little bit if they're really serious about a conviction here. >> danny, as you know, the defense, their job is to try to discredit this 19-year-old woman. do you think they have done a good job or a bad job? >> i think they have done a very good job for a couple of reasons. it is not so much discredit, but they have to challenge her credibility, her ability to perceive what she saw, in other words, she may be telling the truth but she didn't see it the way she couldn't perceive it and actually she is an ear witness. she didn't see anything. or that she has a motive or she is not reliable otherwise. just not believable and i think the defense has done a good job. they confronted with prior inconsistent statements. those are not the end of the world type inconsistent statements but they tend to show she doesn't have a terrific memory at best. i think the defense has done a very good job. they have stuck to the textbook and cross-examined her very well without getting too passionate and being very at least
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professional in doing so, i believe. >> the defense attorney don west pointed out what he described as several lies that this young rachel jeantel has told and at one point she was forced to admit on the stand she couldn't read a letter sent to trayvon martin's mother. let's watch this. >> are you able to read that copy well enough that you can tell us if it is in fact the same letter? >> no. >> are you unable to read that at all? >> some of it. >> can you read any of the words on it? >> i don't understand cursive. i don't read cursive. >> she says she doesn't read cursive. that was a humiliating moment for the 19-year-old. what did you make of that moment? was it an effective moment, mark? >> i think it was an effective
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moment. i think it does cause you to be a bit sympathetic with her simply because she may not possess the intellectual capability that we would otherwise hope. you know, it doesn't forgive misrepresentations under oath. on my facebook or on twitter a few people come up, give her a break, she is young. she is 19 and a half years old. she will be 20 years old come january 1st if i remember her birthday. she has the same obligation to the law as we all do. the law does not say, well, if you are 19 or even if you are 16 you have the right to misrepresent while under oath. we have a court system. we have a tragedy, a young man, a young teenager is dead and we have a another fighting for his life. she doesn't get passes. this is what she is facing because of misrepresentations that happened in the past. this is the way it goes. >> sunny hostin, our legal analyst inside the courtroom today and seemed to be
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suggesting that rachel seemed to be more sympathetic to those six jurors today than maybe even yesterday they were beginning to identify with her. that was the impression she was getting from being inside the courtroom. is it fair from your experience that sometimes you get a different impression watching something on tv than when you are actually inside the courtroom? >> that's why sunny being there in the courtroom and able to evaluate what the jurors expressions are because you really never know what a juror is thinking until a case is over but it plays much differently in a courtroom than it might on tv and whether it be humor or whatever goes on in the courtroom, people see it differently when they're in there. it is a different room. it is a different vibe. in this case i think whether we're watching on tv or in the courtroom, you have a witness that i don't know that this jury is going to be able to identify with. they're not going to -- maybe they don't understand someone
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that can't read cursive or told many inconsistent stories. whether intenonal or accidental or just may ultimately conclude she doesn't have the capacity to perceive things or hear things the way she remembers. >> let's listen to another exchange. this one about a transcript taken from rachel jeantel. listen to this. >> according to this transcript you just saw, when mr. de la rionda said can you tell who was saying that, you said i couldn't hear trayvon, trayvon. >> i couldn't hear. read the next page, sir. >> could you tell who was saying that? i could of heard trayvon. >> i couldn't. >> here is what this says. >> trust me, they messed up. >> all right, mark. this is critical potentially to the case. she says trust me, they messed up meaning she was misquoted in that earlier transcript. are jurors likely to believe
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that? >> look, could of does not establish this case beyond a reasonable doubt or her testimony beyond a reasonable doubt. could have is ambiguous. it is maybe yes, maybe know, beyond a reasonable doubt is the standard. could of doesn't cut it. i think during the same exchange it comes up later she says she could hear wet grass. i can't imagine that the jurors are going to find her to be credible and this case, this will be the cornerstone of this case. i think the state will have to change up their strategy and the prosecution will have to go towards other areas. her credibility to me simply just does not exist based on this and many other instances with her testimony so far. >> she later explained on that wet grass thing she meant that she heard activity on that wet grass. she was not just simply suggesting she could hear wet grass. all right. there is going to be more testimony coming up from her. we'll have live coverage of that momentarily. stand by, mark, danny, guys,
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thanks very much. i know you will be back with us as well. also, how zimmerman went from a fit and trim guy to being way, way overweight. could this transformation help his case? [ stewart ] we've never cooked anything like this before.
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a grand jury returned a 30 count indictment. they'll have a news conference in boston at 3 p.m. eastern, a little bit more than an hour or so from now and they'll have more details coming into the "cnn newsroom," a 30 count indictment against dzhokhar tsarnaev. the george zimmerman second degree murder trial is back in session. we'll continue to monitor it for gripping testimony. there is something we want to get to. there is one thing that is very obvious to those of us who have followed this case from the beginning. george zimmerman has packed on a lot of pounds. he almost looks like a very, very different man. randi kaye reports that zimmerman's new look may impact the jury. >> this is george zimmerman when he was first questioned about shooting trayvon martin. he was 5'8" and weighed 194 pounds. that was february 26, 2012. back then he was fit. look at his mug shot and early court appearances. watch as his look changed over
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the last year or so and his body ballooned. zimmerman's lawyer says he gained about 120 bounds. does this look like the same man to you? we asked patty wood, a body language expert to tell us what she sees then and now. >> this is a skinny george zimmerman appearing in court. what do you see? >> here we see he is very comfortable. see how he elongates his torso here? he is very proud. he feels very powerful and strong and even in shackles. that's very interesting. he is very comfortable in his body. that's important to know. >> do you see the same attitude. >> obviously his walk is stilted. notice how elongated he is. often i see in the situation down cast, shoulders over, very, very burdened. in this case he is not. he is feeling comfortable in his body. >> when we showed patty the heavier set zimmerman that now
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weighs about 300 pounds. >> he is agitated. it is more upset. what is remarkable to me is that he is actually comfortable with the excessive weight. that tells me something else, that he is comfortable and not feeling guilty. >> how does she think the jury will respond to the more plump george zimmerman? >> weight gain, excessive weight, we have a lot of negative connotations to it, so it can work against him. on the other hand, before he looked like a lean, mean, fighting machine, and very young and fit, so why did he need to pull out a gun? it may work for him in an odd way. >> that's led to some speculation the weight gain may be a deliberate defense strategy, to make zimmerman appear less threatening. on piers morgan's show zimmerman's attorney explained his client's weight gain was less about strategy and more about stress. >> he has gained an enormous amount of weight, over 125
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pounds, i think, because he is sitting in a house and stressed and trying to deal with the moniker that's put on him that he is the most hated man in america for taking the life of somebody when he really feels he need to. >> fat or fit, during the next few weeks george zimmerman along with the rest of us will be on a steady diet of courtroom drama. randi kaye, cnn, atlanta. >> rachel jeantel, the 19-year-old, is about to resume testimony, cross-examination. we'll have live coverage of that right after this. and her finanr made a retirement plan, they considered all her assets, even those held elsewhere, giving her the confidence to pursue all her goals. when you want a financial advisor who sees the whole picture, turn to us. wells fargo advisors.
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let's get right back to the trial, 19-year-old rachel jeantel is being cross examined. let's listen in. >> i apologize. i'm not trying to make a speaker objection. >> i understand what you're saying that it would not be impeachment. >> right. the objection is why is it going to be played because it's not impeachment since she's -- since she indicated that that was her answer. >> the court ruled, i thought a moment ago, when i said i'd like to play it for the jury and the court assented. >> there was an objection. and the objection was that that was not -- that statement was
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not impeachment since she had said that, yes, that's what i said. >> this, well, this witness squarely denied having said it before the jury. >> okay. you could ask her that question. >> and i want to play the recording for the jury so they can hear it for themselves, not just the sort of naked answer, yes, i did say that, you want that, too? i want the context of it. and i want the nuance of the language. and the idea that this witness was, in a sense, saying to mr. de la rionda, do you want me to give you an answer on that, too, and mr. de la rionda's response is, i want to know the truth. >> i understand it because i heard it, too, and i understand your argument, but for impeachment you have the witness, in this case, listen to, in other cases, it's read, to themselves what the question and answer was and then you asked them, is that what you said and they admit it or they say, yes, i did, or no i didn't.
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if they say, no, i didn't, then that's impeachment and you play it for the jury. and she's admitting that that's what it was. so -- >> your honor, my response there is -- >> i'm not finished. >> oh, i'm sorry. >> thank you. so to play that in front of the jury is not impeachment. that's the objection. and you can ask miss jeantel in front of the jury, did you have an opportunity to listen to your statement? yes. and do you now, i'm going to ask you the question, again, is that your answer? if she gives an answer that is not what you think is appropriate, then you play it to the jury. >> may i respond briefly? >> yes, i may. >> when this witness was confronted with a transcript before -- >> she wasn't given a transcript on that. she asked for one, and you said you wanted to play the tape. that's when i said we'd do that outside the presence of the
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jury. she was not provided a transcript on that on that questioning. >> your honor, i'm sorry, but i believe that she was. i handed her two transcripts and my transcript said, you want that, too? mr. de lrk la rionda's transcri said, you want that, too, but had another word under it. the witness said under oath i never said that. i want the jury to hear this witness' own words. now i have the right to confront her with her own words in front of the jury and her own words are on this recording. so i want to play the recording for the jury, as to what this witness denied first of all under oath which has now been, i think, in disputably proven to be true. >> you can ask her that question, and if she denies it, you can play it for the jury, but you've given her an opportunity to listen to it and review it as if it were a transcript that she would review that had that on there. and she's now given you her
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answer. if she answers differently when the jury is present, then you may play it. >> our position is we had the right -- >> i understand your position. that's my ruling. okay. >> any further? >> no. >> thank you, judge. >> i'll refer you back to the court's rules. are we ready to bring the jury in? >> yes, your honor.
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zimmerman trial. i'll be back later today 5:00 p.m. eastern in the "situation room." brooke baldwin picks up our covera coverage. i'm brooke baldwin. huge, huge news hour beginning with our coverage here of this trial under way. this is a friend of trayvon martin's. she has been on the stand, let me tell you, for hours and hours. three-plus, four-plus hours today. this has been cross-examination. it began with the state asking her questions for just about a half hour yesterday. we brought that for you live. and then that cross-examination began with the defense attorney co-counsel don west asking her questions. a lot has been made of how she's responding to some of the questions. she's been asked because she is key, key here. she was the person who was on the phone with trayvon martin that night in february of 2012. let's dip back in and listen in. >> let's get first things out of the way. i gather i'm the bald headed
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dude, refers to the record, is that correct? >> yes, sir. >> i've got one of those last names that most people can't pronounce, and so -- anyway. i'm curious, you grew up, i guess, in a haitian family? >> yes, sir. >> your mother speaks creole or haitian? >> creole. yes, sir. >> and the reason is i ask, i wonder in terms from a cultural or just from learning english, english was not my native tongue, and spoke spanish first, so in doing that, did you learn creole first or did you learn english first? i'm curious, sometimes there's a cultural thing. we say things, it isn't as clear to everybody. >> creole and spanish. >> okay. >> you